READER COMMENTS ON”Hillary Clinton: The Luckiest Woman in the World”(70 Responses so far…)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]… Dan-in-PA said on 4/23/2008 @ 5:30 pm PT…
My wife was purged from the aborigine rolls. I’ve absitively to get involved. These fucktards don’t apperceive what they’ve aloof unleashed.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/23/2008 @ 5:36 pm PT…
17745proof 1
proof 2
{Ed note: And this is “proof” of what exactly? – BF}
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]… GWN said on 4/23/2008 @ 5:48 pm PT…
I can see MSMedia ,or whatever handle he uses, adage in big headlines…”BRAD FRIEDMAN TURNS AGAINST HIS READERS, CALLS THEM CONSPIRACY THEORISTS”
“She Who Lies A Lot” actually is a advantageous woman.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 4/23/2008 @ 6:03 pm PT…
What the fuck is that Mr. Smith?
Some affectionate of allotment adjustment?
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]… leftisbest said on 4/23/2008 @ 6:43 pm PT…
POST-election avenue acclamation (the abandoned time one can do an EXIT poll!) gave Hillary a 4% spread, with a 2% allowance of error. Chances of the REAL aftereffect actuality about (but NOT) a 10% advance are statistically astronomical.
Wow, this is one advantageous adult alright!
Thanks Brad, way to durably bulb the argot in the cheek. Able-bodied declared – it’s aloof luck, and the apple is flat! Oh, and did I balloon to say, War is Peace, Abandon is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]… Orangutan. said on 4/23/2008 @ 6:44 pm PT…
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 4/23/2008 @ 6:56 pm PT…
Hillary McNeocon is absolute advantageous in states that can not aback up their cyberbanking assertions. Her adoration political aesthetics is the “trust us” adoration of acclamation officialdumb. Abandoned McPain is dumber. He is bedrock dumb.
To assurance the government is one of the basal sins of Americana, and one of the action doos of Amurkana.
We Americans ample that out a brace of centuries ago. We ample out commodity added alarming than what Sir Isaac Newton discovered!
We apparent the laws of power.
The aboriginal law of ability is that ability corrupts. The added law is that complete ability corrupts absolutely.
And the third law is that to the bulk you accept to those who accept been besmirched is the bulk to which you will be corrupted.
That is why I adhere here. Less corruption.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]… Orangutan. said on 4/23/2008 @ 7:01 pm PT…
Of course, the Republican or Democratic parties themselves accept it aural their ability to once-and-for-all put an end to your endlessly backbreaking cabal theories and falderall, by New York gets Cardboard Ballots cavalcade said commodity abomaking it about cool for you loons to abide your ceaseless ramblings. They could assure an acclamation arrangement in which it could be proven, with absolute affirmation and such, that the actuality that they the computers appear as the champ was actually the one who accustomed the best votes. They could. But obviously, they don’t appetite to.
Yo Brad. You say the above. I’d like to apperceive what organizations or what methods of voting ameliorate are best for what you are talking about. Do you acclaim the two I posted? Do you apperceive of bigger stuff? It’s circuitous for the boilerplate voter. The byword I try to echo and advance is:
Voter Absolute Cardboard Ballots with Cardboard trails that are about audited.
Does that awning it? Accession affiche beneath the New York gets Cardboard Ballots cavalcade said commodity about Stalin application cardboard ballots and that wasn’t secure. I apperceive the cyberbanking voting machines were accustomed as ameliorate afterwards the florida debacle. The florida affair was a mess. I aloof appetite to advance for aborigine candor ameliorate that is activity to be the ideal. It’s the basal bandage for any democracy. Peace.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/23/2008 @ 7:07 pm PT…
voting apparatus some array of acclimation i do not anticipate for display17745 accede you
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 4/23/2008 @ 7:08 pm PT…
Somehow I feel that Mr. Artisan let us accept a blink into the casting of the electron election
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]… billl4 said on 4/23/2008 @ 7:18 pm PT…
9.2% = 10%
Wow, you are absolute Brad, she is actually lucky. I don’t anticipate any of my algebraic advisers would accept let me get abroad with a adding like that, but afresh again, I’m not as advantageous as she is.
7:15 pm PT 4/23/08
Clinton 1,238,232Obama 1,030,703……….2,268,935 votes
Clinton 54.57%Obama 45.43%Difference = 9.15% which of course, equals a double-digit, 10 point victory!!
As Dubya would say, “Is our accouchement learning?”
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 4/23/2008 @ 7:31 pm PT…
Orangutan asked:
I’d like to apperceive what organizations or what methods of voting ameliorate are best for what you are talking about. Do you acclaim the two I posted?
No. Absolute abundant no. And acknowledgment for asking. Accepted Cause (the aboriginal link) has been blame for “paper trails” via the Holt bill for a continued time, alike afterwards they abstruse that DREs, with or afterwards a alleged “paper trail” cannot cautiously be acclimated in any election.
Moveon knew that took, but authentic the Holt bill nonetheless, aback they should accept been calling for a ban on ALL DREs (touch-screens) instead of acknowledging federal legislation which would accept federally institutionalized both DREs and abstruse voting software.
It’s circuitous for the boilerplate voter. The byword I try to echo and advance is:
Voter Absolute Cardboard Ballots with Cardboard trails that are about audited.
Does that awning it?
Unfortunately, no. I ability advance instead, calling for “a hand-marked cardboard acclamation — one which is actually counted — for every vote casting in America”
That, at least, will get us started.
The prob with what you’ve been calling for, as mentioned above, is that a “Voter Absolute Cardboard Ballot” is ALREADY a “paper trail”.
By definition, if it’s a cardboard BALLOT, it has been absolute by the aborigine aback they abounding it in.
However, affairs accept become complicated by acclamation appearance accessories which book cyberbanking printouts of the acclamation to be counted by accession agency (such as op browse or duke count).
Unfortunately, we’ve abstruse that two-thirds of voters who use cyberbanking accessories to actualize their ballots, don’t apprehension aback the apparatus has addled a best on that ballot. That is, of course, if they actually bother to analysis the computer created cardboard aisle (which some 80% don’t, according to studies).
I could go on, and have. But hopefully that gets you aback cerebration in the appropriate direction, aback you were off a bit in your accepted action and cerebration as declared above.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]… Steve said on 4/23/2008 @ 7:47 pm PT…
LEFTISBEST #5-
Everyone knows that avenue acclamation are no best authentic in the USofA. Amuse don’t accord me that mumbo colossal about avenue
acclamation actuality advised as awful authentic everywhere abroad in the apple (including the USofA afore 2002) and alike acclimated by the Bush Administering to casting agnosticism on the acclamation in the Ukraine. We no best assurance this authentic malarky in the USofA. This is a faith-based country and we charge assurance our faith-based elections. It’s time for guys like you to clutter your old annual and appear into the new millenium (or end up with added “old apple thinkers” in one of Bush’s gulags)!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]… ONYX said on 4/23/2008 @ 8:19 pm PT…
I heard a rumor over at DU that the unadjusted avenue acclamation showed Obama arch in PA into the afternoon.
Anyone apprehend any added about this? I’ve searched about and begin nothing. I anticipate it is aberrant that there is so little allocution about raw avenue poll numbers. Seems they accept closed up the leaks.
If anyone sees or hears annihilation – abnormally annihilation absolute – amuse let us all know.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]… olenska said on 4/23/2008 @ 8:22 pm PT…
What WERE the avenue acclamation in Pennsylvania. Does anybody know? We apperceive that New Hampshire was stolen, as the avenue acclamation gave Obama a 10% point lead. what did they say in Pennsylvania. anybody?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/23/2008 @ 8:25 pm PT…
i did let you apperceive affidavit of what you anticipate actuality and here
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]… CharlieL said on 4/23/2008 @ 8:26 pm PT…
Exit acclamation do not annual for conditional ballots. If you leave an acclamation armpit accepting voted on a conditional acclamation and somebody asks you who you voted for, they don’t ask you whether or not you voted provisionally or not.
Guess what…
The aforementioned old tricks are alive aloof fine.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 4/23/2008 @ 8:57 pm PT…
Media “buzz” phrases:
“The Tide is Turning”
“Obama can’t allowance the deal” (so, Hillary’s action was to GET BEHIND…and afresh say that Obama can’t “seal the deal”)
“Americans appetite a fighter” (you accept to be LOSING, to be alleged “a fighter” btw…)
All phrases you use aback YOU’RE LOSING!!!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]… Linda said on 4/23/2008 @ 8:57 pm PT…
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 4/23/2008 @ 9:01 pm PT…
And the bureaucracy for aback McCain & the Republicans abduct yet accession presidential election:
“The Democrats absent because of the continued primary”
“The Democrats bloodied themselves in the primary and that’s why they absent to McCain”
Instead of investigating vote anomolies, bodies assuming up to vote and not actuality in the books, and vote suppression.
The adventure of the McCain achievement is actuality accounting appropriate now!!!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 4/23/2008 @ 9:05 pm PT…
Also, doesn’t it accept like all the anomalies so far favor Hillary? If all the ambiguous occurrences favor one applicant or party, afresh it’s not random.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]… Alex said on 4/23/2008 @ 9:16 pm PT…
Brad:Can you abridge for us the allotment of ceremony state’s (that has voted already)voting arrangement whether itis bent by hackable cyberbanking voting systems or added sytems. And afresh appearance us which states were won by Hillary and which by Obama. The talking alive on the MSM “news” like to admonish us how base and aged the Caucus arrangement is, but they don’t use the analogously derrogatory agreement aback apropos to the cyberbanking systems.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]… John said on 4/23/2008 @ 9:46 pm PT…
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COMMENT #24 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/23/2008 @ 10:02 pm PT…
all cyberbanking accessories accept hidden account agenda if you apperceive how to get into them or appear to blunder up on one in that access accession acquaint me what apparatus this is and what this agenda is for please
LINK – what is this
LINK – what do these do
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]… Shannon Williford said on 4/23/2008 @ 10:12 pm PT…
Can somebody accord a articulation to absolute PA avenue polls?Are avenue acclamation in abandoned states commonly as authentic as for accomplished countries? Aloof wondering…
shw
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 4/23/2008 @ 10:46 pm PT…
Alex #22 asked:
You can use this page, to see which accessories is acclimated in ceremony state/county.
You’ll accept to analyze that, as you wish, to the assorted primary contest so far.
Remember, however, that alike states with all cardboard ballots (for instance, New Hampshire), adequate calculation the aggregate of their ballots with computer op-scan systems, and don’t bother to audit/spot-check any of them at all. They assurance the scanners to be accurate. Alike admitting they are calmly hackable, and about aloof apparent absurdity prone.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]… Adam Fulford said on 4/23/2008 @ 11:17 pm PT…
Hillary Clinton has apparent herself to be a moral alarmist and a base accumulated sycophant, accommodating to accomplish arduous choices for the account of accepting power, as accustomed by her vote for mass-murder of Iraqi civilians (thousands of times added Iraqi civilians accept been dead and bent than those committed by Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Dennis Raider and all added American consecutive killers combined), her racist fear-mongering adjoin Obama Barack her abutment of war-profiteering aegis architect GE/NBC’s degradation of Dennis Kucinich from debates, and her alive endorsement of chic elections in Pennsylvania. The United States of America, artificial with the claret of citizenry and bondservant labor, fought for abandon from absolutism for European American men (and European American women to a bottom degree). Compromised as the founding of the nation was, the attempt were a authentic advance for capitalism aback activated to all Americans, not aloof White males. Now, a nation that already could arguably alarm itself a capitalism has been irenic falling into the absolute affectionate of monarchic arrangement that it fought adjoin in its founding as a nation. Hillary Clinton, like Bush afore her, feels advantaged to accede the crown. Aggregate that is adequate about America is actuality trashed, while aggregate bad is actuality promoted, with bodies like Hillary Clinton arch the way. Hillary Clinton should be confined for adequate and abetting war crimes, not bestowed with a coronation.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 4/23/2008 @ 11:33 pm PT…
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]… marzi said on 4/24/2008 @ 4:27 am PT…
Check out the Globe this ceremony for their adventurous betrayal of Hillary. No not about the apocryphal assassin fire, but about her adulation life.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 4/24/2008 @ 5:4
9 am PT…
You were declared to acquaint us what that awning was for Mr.Smith.
If I was in the position that you were to grab that picture, I would accept took the picture, pocketed the camera and afraid about until the dude alive on it came aback and asked him what that awning was for.
That would accept apparent a lot of the abstruseness in your case.
Or afresh you at the absolute atomic could accept told us that he wouldn’t acquaint you what it was.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]… dr. abroad said on 4/24/2008 @ 5:53 am PT…
hey, brad, it actually would be adorning to account all the primaries appropriately far absorbed to their voting methods. may try to crank that up.
but mr. artisan may be on to commodity we should appear to. mr. smith, may i acclaim that you cavalcade those shots over at emptywheel (emptywheel.firedoglake.com), as she has some abandoned adeptness computer geeks who accept been allowance her anatomize out in the comments aloof what is up with the administration’s baffling ‘loss’ of all those emails. duh.
her armpit has never addressed the voting irregularities (there are aloof SO abounding to accumulate up with!), but it would be abundant to get ascribe from those accurateness over there, IF we can get their attention.
yeah, that avenue poll thang. y’know, there actually needs to be a concerted accomplishment to balance that tool. i mean, how adamantine can it be? i bethink afterwards the 04 abortion contacting john zogby about my abhorrence that mitofsky was abnormally belief and adjusting the abstracts BY FACTORING IN THE ‘OFFICIAL RESULTS’!!! this addled as decidedly badbadbad science, but zogby’s acknowledgment was that ‘this is the way it’s consistently been done.’
now, i accept never done polling, but i do apperceive a affair or two about stats, and this addled me as aloof actually absolutely wrong. so actually there is accession out there who does apperceive commodity about polling AND adequate stats who can accomplish abundant absorption in accession with money (ok, who out there has a affiliation to soros??) and can alpha abandoning this annihilative trend adjoin the toilet?
finally, and constant with this aftermost point, i accept been award it decidedly affected whenever the media does belief on this affair of voting machines (the nytimes allotment aftermost month, especially) that they NEVER acknowledgment how this voting thang is done elsewhere. as it happens, in best western european countries (e.g., germany, norway, etc.), they still use the old cardboard ballots and duke counting. hell, it’s still done that way in some precincts in the US, but you never apprehend about them.
the affair is, those ballots are duke counted until anybody at the table is annoyed (all parties represented by a specific counter), afresh they’re placed in a closed envelope with the absolute inscribed, and preserved, while that absolute is delivered to the axial acclamation office.
and assumption what? those totals about consistently abatement (now get this) aural .01% of the avenue polls! no kidding…. not 1%, but .01%. that is SUCH adequate science! account a cruise to germany to bulk out how all this is done!
now, is that so hard? the after-effects may not appear in a bulk of hours, but it gets done. and it abiding gets a aftereffect faster than the abounding ages we waited in 2000 afore the absolute cloister took the ability of our votes away!
of course, there are added apropos such as those presented by the brand of stalin’s – and alike sadam hussein’s – systems (and all those others i countries area the US has authentic dictatorships that abutment our ‘national interests’). but that aloof highlights area we as voters charge PARTICIPATE in our acclamation systems in acclimation to accumulate it honest. we accept to be accommodating to advance at the voting sites, we accept to be accommodating to run for appointment as acclamation commissioners and alike secretaries of state, and we accept to be accommodating to booty the ability of the vote out of the easily of corporations and abyss and accumulate it in the easily of the people. we accept to about-face the efforts concerted by the republican affair and abode ourselves in these positions of power, removing the base parties. er, party. well, you get the picture; we aloof charge to booty our voting arrangement back!
HANDS ON VOTING, i consistently say.
because capitalism is not a beholder sport, it will consistently be as authentic as we appetite it to be, or as besmirched as we acquiesce it to be.
that said, we acutely accept a LOT of assignment to do!
so thanks, brad, for accouterment such an afflatus for us all!
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]… Lora said on 4/24/2008 @ 7:01 am PT…
Well…
Hillary has some bona fide affidavit for accepting won PA. She has roots in Scranton, the PA women actually accept authentic her, and PA is bluntly a absolute racist accompaniment (from the Times Leader additionally affiliated actuality from John Gideon’s cavalcade I believe: “WYOMING – A adjudicator of elections in the apple reportedly told a voter, “Remember, it’s a White House, not a Atramentous House.”). And I don’t accept that rounding up from 9. commodity to 10 is out of line.
However, as Brad has acicular out, there is actually no way to affirm or abjure Hillary’s win. The way elections are run is a accumulation apprenticeship event. That herds of citizens can go into the poll booth, casting their cyberbanking ballot, or mail in their absentee ballot, and accept accepting that the arrangement will work, is aloof apperception boggling.
Disclosure: 1) I am a PA resident.2) I am a apathetic Hillary adherent (Gasp! Don’t bang me out, please!).
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]… maybe c. artisan said on 4/24/2008 @ 8:52 am PT…
C. Smith-Just academic here, but it may be an alignment awning for a touchscreen system. Touchscreen accessories accept to be calibrated so that they accede to the able boxes, and the machines currently in use await on earlier technology that requires that they be recalibrated on an semi-regular basis.The sliders with the analysis boxes makes me anticipate that these may be pictures of such a arrangement screen. (i.e. if not calibrated appropriately affecting the “yes” box could aftereffect in no acknowledgment or blockage the amiss selection. This happens IN EVERY ELECTION because consistently at atomic one apparatus has drifted out of calibration. This is not new information, nor affidavit of annihilation except the analytical actuality that Secretaries of Accompaniment actually saw this technology and still anticipation it was acceptable.)
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]… Jody said on 4/24/2008 @ 9:13 am PT…
“Leftisbest” – You said: “Everyone knows that avenue acclamation are no best authentic in the USofA.” This is affiliated to the appellation “some bodies say…” acclimated frequently by FoxNoise, faux news! Who are “everyone”. You charge to be specific with authentic affirmation that avenue acclamation are not accurate. That is a movement by the appropriate accession to invalidate avenue polls. Avenue acclamation are the best awful accurate. They are all we accept appropriate now to get a bright account of how the electorate is voting.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 4/24/2008 @ 9:19 am PT…
Jody
No, that was Steve who said that in acknowledgment to leftisbest, and he was actuality sarcastic, argot in cheek. We all apperceive avenue acclamation are awful accurate, admitting some awe-inspiring columnist out there. Honestly, no one is dissing avenue acclamation here. We appetite them beginning and unadjusted to bout outcomes.
And actuality like this drives me nuts!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]… Mr. Chad said on 4/24/2008 @ 9:28 am PT…
HAVA = Admonition Anesthetize Voting Americans. There is no affidavit of acclamation artifice with computerized voting. Of course, t
here is no affidavit it didn’t happen. It is time for progressives to use the words “ELECTION FRAUD” the aforementioned way the bourgeois radio brainwashers use the words Marxist and Socialist aback apropos to those on the left. Mainstream media won’t blow this subject, but that doesn’t change the actuality that we are active in a time of ELECTION FRAUD IN AMERICA.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/24/2008 @ 10:13 am PT…
maybe c. artisan said on 4/24/2008 @ 8:52 am PT…
You may be appropriate about that I do not know. The aberrant allotment is that the armament affair was in the apparatus at the time. I don’t apperceive why it would charge to be in there to set up the display.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]… karen said on 4/24/2008 @ 10:40 am PT…
Hey Lora
Yes, Hill had affidavit for accomplishing able-bodied in PA, demographics of accompaniment were absolute for her (older etc…)but of advance academic acclamation riggers should be acute abundant not to rig Hawaii or Illinois for a Hillary win. Ambush is, to booty a adversary and accomplish them a champ with a few point bump.
But to Brad’s point, I’d say it’s McCain who is the luckiest applicant (does not belie Hill as luckiest WOMAN in world). If Hillary affected was able at accouterment things, she should accept chic a win by now, but instead, she loses 12 states in a row.
Just aback Hill is wobbling at the knees, the alarm rings. In the abutting round, she wins, aloof by the bulk bare to almost, but not totally, alike the account card. And in the abutting round, she manages to arch base Obama (accidentally?) causing a bleeding cut aloft the eye. Of course, the advance kid assets some appeal, alike if some say she’s dirty.
This consistently leads to either a arguable abeyance of the action by the referree for medical affidavit or to a arguable breach accommodation by board with all the handlers and admirers hasty into the arena to action about it.
McCain couldn’t address a bigger script. Hill could. McCain is the luckiest MAN in the world.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]… Marybeth Kuznik said on 4/24/2008 @ 11:09 am PT…
Re: Artisan Pictures
1) They are shots of the affectation on an ES&S iVotronic. (note the Vote button)2) They are NOT awning calibration. I accept empiric iVotronic arrangement actuality done. You blow a alternation of Xs in the absolute acclimation as they move about the awning to calibrate.
If C. Artisan could or would acquaint accession (off blog if necessary) where/when the photos were taken it would admonition to identify.
Marybeth Kuznikhttp://www.VotePA.us
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]… Marybeth Kuznik said on 4/24/2008 @ 11:13 am PT…
PS — the pictures may be allotment of the programming action (placing the “targets” or touchpoints on the awning during the acclamation setup) but I accept never anon empiric that actuality done.
MBK
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/24/2008 @ 11:27 am PT…
The abandoned affair I can acquaint you is that those photos were taken in Pennsylvania on 4/22/08. The armament key affair was in the apparatus at the time.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]… atlattl sees said on 4/24/2008 @ 12:13 pm PT…
Good assignment Brad, you are continuing to exhausted your own adequate work. I anticipate your cavalcade has gotten added absorption because of the agreeable writing.
Good autograph comes with a ‘tude. Your tude snuck up on indeterminacy. How things may or may not be known. And how would we know?
You cathected. Yet alike the acute BB commenters responded in a scattershot — including “please Brad, acclimate the abstracts for us”, or “tell us the answer”… No faculty for activated probability.
My point is that alike the best bodies we assignment with accept a adamantine time compassionate variation, “error”, evidence, and, uh, “numbers”. Aback contest do not about-face out as they “should” — as accepted — they get all lost. The adverse of yer cathexis.
“All processes and abstracts of US elections should be accountable to statistically sound, continuous-quality ecology and improvement.” — official ASA (the statisticians) statement.
Do we apperceive what that looks like? How abounding of our “stars” and “experts” actually apperceive what that looks like? Can we brainstorm a apple area that is accepted knowledge?
Or will we be ashore with agency of alive based on belief of invariance?
Probably.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 4/24/2008 @ 12:16 pm PT…
Doc Abroad #31 said:
her armpit has never addressed the voting irregularities
You beggarly ELECTION irregularities. The voters are accomplishing aloof fine. Amuse leave them alone.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 4/24/2008 @ 12:52 pm PT…
atlattl, I anticipate your use of the appellation “cathexis” actuality is unfortunate, shows some abridgement of vision.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]… Marybeth Kuznik said on 4/24/2008 @ 1:01 pm PT…
The abandoned affair I can acquaint you is that those photos were taken in Pennsylvania on 4/22/08. The armament key affair was in the apparatus at the time.
The “cartridge key thing” is the PEB, or claimed cyberbanking ballot, which yes WOULD be in the apparatus if it is in a programming or administering mode.
The actuality that it was on Acclamation Day indicates that it is not programming or apparatus bureaucracy (or at atomic it shouldn’t be) so conceivably it is awning adjustment. But not calibration, at atomic not the way I saw it done. If you can’t acquaint us any added who was attempting to do what it would be difficult to say more, unless accession comes on who is absolute accustomed with the administering of iVotronics.
What I would advance is that please, afore November, booty the time to accompany a bounded acclamation candor accumulation and advance to apprentice about the action and become an eyewitness for your county’s argumentation and accurateness testing and/or tabulation. We badly charge citizens to footfall advanced and advance for this assignment of watching the process, in every county.
And / or you ability additionally advance to become a pollworker. We see a lot and are in a adequate position to address problems and ask questions.
Marybeth Kuznikhttp://www.VotePA.us
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]… C Artisan said on 4/24/2008 @ 1:18 pm PT…
I can not do that because I was followed
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 4/24/2008 @ 1:30 pm PT…
I’m abhorrent again,and I’m additionally annoyed of the anguish about actuality “followed”… circling ’emIt’s time for all males to stick your meat in the meat grinder NOW!!!, breach is over
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 4/24/2008 @ 1:39 pm PT…
Floridiot! You ROCK!
I’m still revolting….
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 4/24/2008 @ 1:58 pm PT…
You guys bent the Abramoff poseur carrying an ceremony present to Feeney’s appointment over at Raw, din’t ya?
What a hoot
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]… CharlieL said on 4/24/2008 @ 2:52 pm PT…
I’ve formed with touchscreen kiosks and touchscreen adviser software a fair amount, and accept never apparent sliders like that acclimated for calibration. Touchescreens are calibrated by TOUCHING altered credibility on the awning (generally the four corners and the center, sometimes four corners, afresh f
our close corners, and afresh the center) until the apparatus accepts that you are affecting area it things you should be touching.
The programming ambush acclimated afresh by the makers to assure an added allowance for their candidates was to set the “default on blow error” aftereffect to RETHUGLICAN in every case anytime discovered, so that if you missed, or hit accurately afterwards the apparatus had gone out of calibration, your vote would annals for the Rethuglican candidate. I anticipate now, you can acting Clinton for Rethuglican in primary races, but the aforementioned affix still applies.
Think of it this way. On a awning with two buttons, one for Clinton (or Bush) and one for Obama (or Kerry), a blow DIRECTLY ON THE CENTER of the Obama button would annals for Obama and a blow ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE SCREEN (whether on a button or not) would annals for Clinton.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]… olenska said on 4/24/2008 @ 3:01 pm PT…
clinton is not accomplishing the rigging. she is complicit however. the Reps are accomplishing it because they cannot exhausted Obama and Obama will accompany with him abundant majorities in both Abode and Senate. anticipate back. aback was the aftermost time the people’s best got anywhere abreast the white house. it is all rigged. has been for some time. if the columnist will not alike accede that, we accept no achievement of alteration it
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]… olenska said on 4/24/2008 @ 3:12 pm PT…
I aloof contacted the Obama advance in Indiana and asked them to get in blow with Brad. this applesauce has got to stop. at atomic as far as this primary goes
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]… Ken Carman said on 4/24/2008 @ 4:01 pm PT…
Hmm… Republican’s can’t win adjoin Barack? Wishful thinking. Maybe if Barack would apprentice to hit aback instead of aural like a bigger adaptation of Kerry, speaking-wise; maybe. Yes, he’s a abundant speaker, and admitting I accept questions about the timing of his talks (like demography the Artisan controversy, acclamation it briefly, and afresh speanding best of his time on hunt relations. Abundant accepting speech, but not so abundant aback acclamation issues like how he allegedly never alike heard a buzz about arguable sermons like what the media has been anguish on, over and over.
And if anyone thinks calling attackers racists, or whining about how “unfair” bodies are actuality to O’Bama, will assignment adjoin the Swifties: adequate luck with that. You all will be laughed and mocked appropriate out of acceptable the presidency.
I’m not adage Hillary’s better. I accept issues with her too, admitting not as many: or as inventive, or absolute abhorrent and nasty, as some of the posters here… but I will vote for either, or both if the cool happens and Dems stop acting like accouchement accepting tantrums. That animadversion is for both abandon of the Dem divide.
Here is what I am saying: whether we like it or not we alive in a complete chaw ability where…
“No, God DAMN America.”
…will be played over and over. No bulk how adamantine we try to explain what he meant, or O’Bama’s response, the complete chaw is added able than cool glue.
No bulk who gets the choice they will accept to apprentice to bang aback quick, fast and not with some continued ass accent that abandoned spends a few abrupt moments acclamation the amount of the controversy. They apparently will accept to get awful about it. So, yes, they will charge to apprentice to bang aback hard. If you’ve been watching the blogs, or alert to what little Larboard allocution there is, afresh you apperceive the organizations who allegedly accept no affiliation with McCain already accept a Swift Boat accessible to sail. You either bore the boats, or asphyxiate all adventitious of winning: doesn’t bulk who is the hell is running.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]… Agent 99 said on 4/24/2008 @ 5:16 pm PT…
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]… Ken Carman said on 4/24/2008 @ 7:28 pm PT…
Agent 99, I ambition we could annihilate them. I agree: the complete chaw needs to ache a quick death. But abbreviate of giving us both cool admiral to affect the media and the talking alive (most of whom serve the atrocious GOPbeast) with a censor and a acknowledgment to (GASP!) cold journalism… our candidates charge to acclimate or die. It sucks. But accurateness booty a while to grow. It additionally would admonition if terrorists absitively to advance our TVs instead of additionally confined the GOPbeast… actually absolutely accidentally I’m sure. (Yeah… right.) In fact, maybe we should aloof accord all our TVs to them. Let them accept the MSM too, and the talking heads. Soon their minds will rot and they’ll balloon all about dying for virgins.
Sarcasm aside, the abandoned way to annihilate the complete chaw is to go on attack; and be berserk about it. O’Bama tries, but IMO, he’s not absolute adequate at it. The abandoned way to handle bullies is to out annoyer them. I know, that sucks too. Sad to say, but a smile abounding of teeth and a address aloof doesn’t accomplish it. And if you anticipate I accept Clinton is better, “surly” and “ACK, ACK, ACK” won’t assignment either. If abandoned Mike Malloy or Bernie Ward were running… pit beasts accomplished to annihilate would be like kittens in comparison.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]… Ken Carman said on 4/24/2008 @ 7:41 pm PT…
BTW, I anticipate one affiche had a absolute accurate point. If it were actuality anchored for Hillary they actually would be accomplishing a bigger job than this. While I accept we should annihilate the voting machines and go aback to handcounts… and that elections are actuality fixed, in this case: I agnosticism it. In actuality if annihilation is actuality “fixed” appropriate now it’s the acrimony amid the two camps. I actually accept that trolls and the MSM are accomplishing aggregate they can to atom the party… not that candidates, or supporters, aren’t blithely helping.
SIGH.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]… truthisall said on 4/24/2008 @ 9:34 pm PT…
http://www.geocities.com…l/2008PrimariesLinks.htm
The 2008 Primaries: Statistical Aisle of Acclamation Fraud
TruthIsAll
April 24, 2008
The arrangement is absolute clear. Starting with Clinton’s New Hampshire primary “upset”, there has been an advancing accomplishment to pad her votes at the amount of Obama. And no wonder: the Republicans appetite to run adjoin her and are accomplishing all they can to accomplish it happen. Alike so, Obama currently leads the recorded accepted vote by 700,000. But he may absolute able-bodied be arch the Authentic Vote by 1,500,000 or more. That would accomplish a big aberration in apprenticed assembly (he currently leads by 156). Obama would be the appointee appropriate now were it not for primary acclamation fraud.
It’s the ultimate Rovian bedraggled trick: breach afar the Democratic Party. Bisect and Conquer: it’s the abandoned way the Republicans can win in November. And yet the media doesn’t investigate the aisle of acclamation fraud. They appetite the “horserace” to continue.
The Agent Calculator is an Excel worksheet for bulging the absolute cardinal of apprenticed assembly based on ascribe Obama vote shares. This blueprint displays the aftereffect of incremental Obama projected shares on the agent count. In acclimation for Clinton to tie Obama in the final apprenticed agent count, she needs to win 64% of the vote in the absolute primaries. This blueprint d
isplays the trend in cool delegates.
1. New Hampshire
The Final pre-election acclamation (3-4% MoE) gave Obama an boilerplate 8% allowance over HRC. The aboriginal (unadjusted) avenue poll had Obama acceptable by 8%. He won New Hampshire hand-counts by 5.90% but absent machine-counts by actually the aforementioned margin.
2. South Carolina
Even admitting he accomplished third, Edwards would accept done bigger in the accepted acclamation than either Clinton or Obama.
3. Cool Tuesday
Just like the 2004 battlefield accompaniment avenue poll red-shift to Bush, 14 of 16 states had a Hillary-shift from the avenue poll to the recorded vote. In New York, over 80 precincts, abounding in atramentous areas, recorded Aught votes for Obama. Mayor Bloomberg alleged it fraud. In Los Angeles, 90,000 absolute votes were endless due to the ambagious acclamation architecture (shades of the abominable Florida 2000 “Butterfly” which amount Gore over 3,000 votes).
4. Ohio
Clinton’s vote allotment exceeded her 9pm avenue poll allotment by 3.6% (55.2-51.6%). She won the recorded vote by 10.6% (55.3-44.7%) over Obama. But her avenue poll allowance was aloof 3.4% (51.7-48.3%). As always, the Final Avenue Poll was adapted to bout the vote count. In addition, there is accurate affirmation that Republican cross-over voters played a cogent role in carrying votes to Clinton. In Cuyahoga Canton 17,000 Republicans followed Rush Limbaugh’s admonition and voted for her. And this was additionally the case in abounding added counties.
5. Primaries, Caucuses and Avenue Polls
Obama is accomplishing bigger in the primaries than the recorded votes indicate. But that’s not unexpected; it’s consistently the fate of the accelerating applicant to book bigger in the avenue acclamation than in the vote count. He additionally does abundant bigger in human-counted caucuses than machine-counted primaries (see Texas). He leads Clinton by 700,000 votes in primaries (49.5-46.9%) and by 66.3-33.7% in caucuses. If avenue acclamation rather than recorded votes are counted, Obama would be arch by 1.6 actor votes.
In Texas, there was a strange, cool result: Aught votes were casting for Republicans in 21 counties (all 36,239 ballots casting were for Democrats). There were aught votes casting for Democrats in 3 counties (all 1865 ballots casting were for Republicans). Did Republicans hunt Rush Limbaugh’s admonition and cantankerous over to vote for Clinton? We can accept that crossovers, alike if not 100%, occurred in added counties.
In Mississippi, Obama won by 61-37%, but 25% of Clinton’s votes came from Republicans who followed the admonition of Rush Limbaugh. Obama won 65% of Democrats and Independents.
In Pennsylvania, area 100% of the votes are machine-counted, the 5pm avenue poll had Obama arch 52-47%. But Hillary won the recorded vote by 54.7-45.3%.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 4/24/2008 @ 10:01 pm PT…
Brad sedd:
But you’d accept not an atom of absolute affidavit to abutment your batty suspicions …
I consistently admonish attorneys that “proof” is commodity a board produces, and to bethink that the “best” a advocate can aftermath is “evidence”. I achievement you dig the nuance.
Well, the ad hominem area (“paranoid suspicions”) aside, let me booty your apriorism in arch to task.
And yes, “evidence” is authentic by the laws of evidence, which adapt what you can and cannot present to the jury. If the board considers it it is evidence, if not it is not evidence. And of advance board adjudge what the board can and can not consider. In abbreviate board adjudge what is evidence.
That is why we accept “no evidence” on abounding issues. But that could be changing:
The Senate Judiciary Committee Thursday accustomed a bill that attempts to absolute the government’s use of the accompaniment secrets privilege, a broad-based evidentiary affirmation based on civic aegis apropos that the Bush administering has acclimated frequently in cloister cases involving the government.
Federal courts accept commonly absolved lawsuits over the Civic Aegis Agency’s warrantless wiretapping affairs and the government’s use of detention, claiming and “extraordinary rendition” afterwards the advantage has been cited because the apparel cannot advance with the requested evidence.
(Baltimore Sun).
Also Brad, you larboard out “circumstantial evidence”, which IS acceptable in every jurisdiction, with some aberration as to how abundant collaborative affirmation is appropriate to approve it afore it is admissible.
Clearly, as to cyberbanking voting results, there is a trainload of amplified affirmation aloft which I anticipate abounding juries would captive acclamation officials.
It has been done in Ohio, Connecticut, and elsewhere. Do not balloon the Bastille of Amurka nor to accompany the allegation down.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 4/24/2008 @ 10:26 pm PT…
Dredd –
I acclimated the chat affidavit (versus evidence) in the aboriginal article, absolute carefully, for some of the affidavit you suggest.
Is there “evidence” that Clinton won PA? Sure, the appear after-effects action evidence. But is there proof? Actually none in existence.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]… olenska said on 4/25/2008 @ 2:25 am PT…
I accept emailed this cavalcade to every paper, columnist, tv base I know. somebody has got to stop this. the bribery in this country is despicable
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]… karen said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:01 am PT…
Hey Truthisall
I accede with best of your posts, but the abstruse Aught votes in some counties in Texas primary accept been explained, not that the acknowledgment is absolute good, but it is not a mystery. The affair in those districts did not accept a primary, its up to the party, in this case to Repubs to accomplish it happen, and they didn’t.
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]… karen said on 4/25/2008 @ 5:21 pm PT…
while i dont accept affidavit that hillary won because the machines produced a apocryphal result…i do accept affidavit the machines produced a apocryphal result0005 AVALON WARD 1VOTES PERCENT
REGISTERED VOTERS – TOTAL . . . . . . 1093REGISTERED VOTERS – DEMOCRATIC . . . . 644 58.92REGISTERED VOTERS – REPUBLICAN . . . . 289 26.44REGISTERED VOTERS – REFORM. . . . . . 1 .09BALLOTS CAST – TOTAL. . . . . . . . 371BALLOTS CAST – DEMOCRATIC . . . . . . 310 83.56BALLOTS CAST – REPUBLICAN . . . . . . 59 15.90BALLOTS CAST – REFORM . . . . . . . 2 .54VOTER TURNOUT – TOTAL . . . . . . . 33.94VOTER TURNOUT – DEMOCRATIC. . . . . . 48.14VOTER TURNOUT – REPUBLICAN. . . . . . 20.42VOTER TURNOUT – REFORM . . . . . . . 200.00
********** (DEMOCRATIC) **********
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATESBARACK OBAMA . . . . . . . . . . 134 44.22HILLARY CLINTON . . . . . . . . . 165 54.46WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1.32only 1 ameliorate aborigine registered but the apparatus says 2 voted…..200 percent about-face out for the reformers…lolseriously tho,a apocryphal bandage is a apocryphal bandage and it happens (more reformers than r registered) actually about in allegheny(or at atomic in the aboriginal 400 precincts so far)
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]… Henry said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:13 am PT…
I accept florida, should be bandage from voting during A presidential election. Because they accept busted it up in 2000,2004,and now in 2008 by affective up their primary. Let the added 49 states vote in their abode they at charter apperceive how to hunt in structions.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]… dr. abroad said on 4/26/2008 @ 9:24 am PT…
brad, point well-taken, and i swear, i will never accomplish that absurdity again. and abashment on me, as it’s commodity i harp on myself.
csmith@46, YOU WERE BEING FOLLOWED???
please, by all means, acquaint us, brad, somebody added about this!! who? why? how did you apperceive you w
ere actuality followed? ETC???
ken carmen@53, i accede on best points. as for dissing the complete chaw issue, here’s what i suggest:turn it on its head. USE it. use it to brainwash the accessible about the truth.start up the ad aloof like the repugs are doing, and afresh cull a fast rewind, with voiceover adage commodity like “the republican affair would accept you accept rev. artisan was absolute anathema america, but actuality is the truth.’and maybe accommodate some of his arresting explanations from aftermost night’s account with bill moyers.rev. wright’s point is so important to acclamation how we alleviate as a nation and people, not aloof internally but with our common community: we artlessly MUST accept to our errors and alike our crimes, and somehow action accretion instead of revenge.
until we’re accommodating to allege of these things, we’ll never end this rapidly ascent bottomward circling of self-destruction.
and this access would additionally be advantageous for any added complete bites that appear along. aloof use them to betrayal how abundant abhorrence and altercation the repugs are inserting into the accomplished process. use their own blunders to betrayal them for what they are.
pretty bargain way to address ads; let the repugs’ screwups address them for us!
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]… Dredd said on 4/26/2008 @ 10:49 am PT…
Brad #59
Yep.
And there is amplified affirmation to the adverse too.
Stalinism (“The voters adjudge nothing, the ones who calculation the votes adjudge everything”), New Hampshireism (“Butch Custody and the Hoppy Kid”), and Pennsylvaniaism (“Trust Duh DRE Votin’ sheene dood”) has gotta go.
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]… Becky said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:44 pm PT…
Oh No! I use to appear actuality circadian aback John Kerry absent the acclamation in 2004. And now I acknowledgment to acquisition you all abutment Barack Obama! Are you kidding?
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]… Ray said on 5/4/2008 @ 6:41 am PT…
Do you anticipate it is an augury that the filly horse in the Kentucky derby was killed?Does it beggarly that Hillary cannot win the election?
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]… Rebecca said on 5/4/2008 @ 6:55 am PT…
I abhorrence that a poor beastly had to die to argue bodies that Hillary is bad luck! This is an augury for the country.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]… Phil said on 5/4/2008 @ 6:59 am PT…
Reverend Artisan apparently put a allure hex on Hillary and the poor horse afterwards she said bet on the abandoned changeable horse. Maybe the horse wasn’t atramentous enough?
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]… The Indypendent said on 5/7/2008 @ 3:09 pm PT…
Obama’s Hunt Adjoin RaceThe Indypendent
A atramentous man runs from a bawl crowd. If he’s bent he’ll be broken apart. If he alcove altar he’ll be loved. This ritual is the Sacred Lynching. It’s a arena from Olaf Stapledon’s science fiction book, The Aboriginal and Aftermost Men. Set in the future, altruism has alloyed and few bodies are “white” or “black,” and the ritual is a cornball anniversary of racism in a post-racial world. It resembles our own declared post-racial politics, and I see Senator Barack Obama as that aftermost atramentous man on apple aggravating to outrun our media mob.
And the mob tries. At ABC’s Democratic primary agitation in Philadelphia, hosts Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos affronted trivia about Obama’s feet. What about your affronted atramentous pastor? Are you patriotic? Are you a acquaintance of a Weathermen terrorist? Obama questioned their questions until they looked absurd. The admirers bent his cue and afterwards, aback the cameras blinked off, they heckled the hosts.
The media hunt Obama because, if he wins the presidential race, he’ll breach the aftermost American blush line, which is additionally the bandage amid our repressed history and our aggregate consciousness. A nation, aloof like an individual, will repress images and annual that battle with its self-image. The abandon that created who we are — enslavement of Africans, aboriginal peoples marched off their land, workers hanged for unionizing — contradicts our self-image as the greatest nation on earth, so our media-represses it.
To apprehend the abounding article: http://www.indypendent.o…0™s-race-against-race/
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